
a negative experience
updated 2/22/2000
In mid-1997 I thought about signing up for Together Dating, but
unfortunately I could not gather enough information about the product I
would be buying. There were almost no positive/negative reviews or
comments. Just two or three unbiased commentaries about Together
by anyone would have enlightened me, but my Alta Vista searches would
not root them out. Unfortunately with the Web still maturing in 1997,
the anti-Together sites didn't appear until after my experience
-- too late for me!
I called the Oklahoma City Better Business Bureau. They reported that the
Oklahoma City Together office had been open since 1991, had no
open files, and all complaints had been resolved. Judging by
what I've learned since then, it is obvious that the Oklahoma City
BBB is largely ineffective. Then again, it is member-supported,
not consumer supported.
SIGNING UP
I went to the Oklahoma City offices of Together,
on a posh upper floor at 50 Penn Place. There was no one else in
the lobby except a much older woman. As I filled out a questionnaire
I heard a girl emerge from an office, leaving and telling the staff
how thankful she was for her recent match. I couldn't help wondering
if that was staged (now I am sure that it was!). I was very aware
that I could be setting myself
up to be ripped off, but I was willing to take the risk. Unless
something really good happened, I had already planned in advance to
put up a Web page commentary after six months (though it actually took a
little longer to get around to it).
A woman named Susan Smith brought me back to her office. After
going through some questionnaires and an interview, I was presented
with membership options, which were expensive and around what I
expected. Mine ran $2095. For some reason, this is the only item
over $1000 I have ever bought without negotiating, and I feel that
was my main mistake. Anyhow, you are welcome to view my membership
contract
here and the credit card receipt
here.
Granted, caveat emptor -- but the focus of this page is how Together
handled my account. Especially considering I paid more than many
victims, and surely I deserve better service, eh?
When I left the office, I was told I'd be getting a referral in about a week.
In short, with me a prime, open-minded 28-year old candidate with no picky
preferences (I realize that a good match can come in nearly any
package), I think my experiences formed a good "control group" for
what others might have experienced.
REFERRAL #1: Good
A couple of weeks passed, so I called back. The receptionist
said that Susan Smith was on leave, and transferred me to someone
who said they'd work on the referral.
In several days,
referral #1 finally did come. It was
to a girl my age named Jill. As is standard procedure, a person at Together
described the referral over the phone and asked if I wanted it.
When I accepted, the paper copy was mailed to me, and I got it a
few days later with Jill's phone number. It was actually
a very nice match; she was quite attractive with a good personality.
We met at a restaurant at 6:45 pm and were talking until 10:30 pm,
when we realized that we were the only people left! This led to
a lukewarm relationship that lasted for about a month, until distance
took its toll (Jill lived on the other side of the city, a 45-minute
commute).
As a sidenote, one
night we were talking about Together. She indicated that she had paid
a pretty high amount (which either negates the rumors that young
females only pay $50, or could indicate she was scammed). She also
said said that she'd recently gotten a large number of referrals,
most of which she wasn't happy with. One match was with an older
man with kids; she wanted someone in her age range without kids.
REFERRAL #2: Lousy
About a month afterward, I was interested in another match. A bell went
off when I asked for Susan Smith and the receptionist had never heard
of the former manager. I was transferred to someone else who said
she wasn't working there anymore. I asked for the next referral.
About ten days later,
referral #2 came, Lorie. I called the
number and it turned out to be the University of Central Oklahoma
switchboard number. I got hold of someone at Together and found
that there should have been an extension number on the referral.
I called the number and left a message on Lorie's machine.
No return call. A week later I called
Together. The individual apologized and said that she had recently
put her membership on hold. I'm not sure how much of the
story is true.
REFERRAL #3: Bad
Over three months later,
referral #3 came: Shirl. Renee at
Together described her and I was pleased by what she said. After
getting the paper copy and calling, I found that her phone number
was out of the local calling area (if that isn't enough, also note
the area code typo on the referral; apparently proofreading is not
a priority at Together).
I checked and found that Shirl's prefix
was in Ada, 50 miles away. I was a bit perplexed and figured I'd
call anyway. I called and left a message and once again the call
was not returned. About a week afterward I left another message,
which again was not returned.
THE END
Eight months later, I was just becoming involved with my future
wife (someone I had met on my own). Around this time Together called, not
to offer a referral but to ask if I was happy with their service!
Needless to say I told them I wasn't and that I wanted my
membership placed on hold. Thankfully I haven't heard from them since.
SUMMARY
Overall I feel that Together Dating Service of Oklahoma City
did a rather slipshod job matching me up. The "dead matches"
that I received indicate three possibilities:
- 1) The matchmaking process at Together is performed
very poorly and hastily;
- 2) Together's pool of candidates is largely unscreened
and even consists of people who have terminated long ago;
- 3) Some of the candidates are stooges (individuals working for
Together who help satisfy referrals but never actually get involved),
I think the first and second assumptions are most likely, with
the third one being somewhat plausible if Together is having
problems with a shortage of candidates.
Friends, my advice to everyone is to stay FAR away from
all dating services, unless you get definite guarantees in
writing and the contract is reviewed by a competent attorney.
I think that in our culture there is a market for a high quality
dating service, but Together and several other large chains are not
such a service.
These companies have recently come under the scrutiny of consumer
agencies and state attorney generals, and nowadays there are a host
of anti-Together sites on the Internet (just do a search).
I would suggest saving your money instead or spending it on
a treat for yourself.
In closing, I can assure you that you can find love one on one, and
without the need to plunk down money. For many years I thought "true love"
was a joke, and one day I found it when I least expected it.
It was one of my friends. I had known her for four years, and she had
woken up and saw me for who I was. We've been together nearly two years
and are expecting to get married soon.
If you have any comments or wish
to discuss your own experiences, feel free to send me an
E-mail message.
REFERENCES
LETTERS
To add your letter, E-mail it to cbscac492@hotmail.com!
Suckered in, too . . .
I enjoyed reading your letter about TOGETHER RIP OFF. They got me for
$3999. Tracy said I needed to sign up for the large plan because I
needed many experiences. Of course she left before the three day
cancellation period, when I called to reconsider. The Irvine CA branch
went out of business, I had two horrible dates, and one referral who didn't
call back. I did not do my research before signing up--I was newly
divorced after 25 yrs. scared, lonely and on Prozac. If they were
screening candidates, I should have been rejected. I was lured in after
several phone calls. I'm doing great. I also found my own dates but I
still feel used and abused after three years.
Do you know how we can get even??
Cathie Irvine, California 2/21/00
Together pulls out all the stops
Last June, I went to a outdoor concert with my brother and his girlfriend.
We saw the booth, and passed it and I said "No way" and then we passed it by
again, but then we saw there was a drawing for a prize. I went ahead
and signed up. They promised no calls, but they called anyway. The
company said that I could come in for a free interview, no obligation,
no pressure to join. Ha!
I was running late, so I called ahead to let them know I'd be about 15
minutes late. Anyway, I got there and they offered me something to drink.
I asked for a drinking fountain, but they said they would get me a glass of
water. There were no magazines, but there were at least 3 albums of
positive letters, even a positive one about not liking the referral given to
them (like 2 out of 80, mind you). Then my interviewer came out, Santina -- she was
cute!! This must have been done on purpose!
SO, we sat and talked. I found out she had no psychological schooling.
She said things like "will you be worrying about money as you're walking up
the aisle?"
I WAS lonely, and I thought that this sounded like a good way to meet
someone compatible with me. I had taken psychology, and she made it sound
so great and logical. I guess the more intelligent you are the easier you
fall! So, I agreed to take the tests. After I handed the test in I was in the
room all by myself for quite a while. I needed to use the bathroom, and along
the way I saw her just
around a corner smoking and talking. Obviously she had someone else grade
it and cared enough about her client to NOT BE IN THE SAME ROOM! Bells went
off, but still it seemed OK. I figured I could quit anytime.
Then, just as she was beginning to explain the contract to me and the three
tiers (remember them?), the secretary did a pop in. "Oh, by the way, there
is a Fourth of July Special." (it was July 3rd) Then my counselor said she
had never heard of such an offer, and that she had to check it with her
supervisor. I was getting the middle tier for a lower price than the lower
tier, you see.
She finally came back in, and made it seem as if this offer was made
especially for me! Then I told her that I had trouble believing this was
real, and thought it sounded like a scam. She almost cried, and left
the room again! When she came back, she started out telling me about the
death of her father and about how money wouldn't matter when I walked
down the aisle. I told her I was in a financial bind, and she gave me
the name of her car insurance provider, and then suggested I could put it on
a credit card; just to see if my credit would be accepted. I thought that
meant some kind of reasonable payment plan, and thought what the hell.
Of course the charge went through, and she said the bill didn't come
for a month. My bill was around $1600. She was so pleased that I was part of
this that she took my picture and then showed me where to sign at the
bottom of the contract.
In my special notes, I was not to tell anyone about my special price, or it
would be bumped up to the regular charge. Then, almost as an
afterthought, she asked me to sign next to the first paragraph. I asked
what it was; she did a horrible job explaining it. First she said it was
because the contract would probably be folded and this would give them and
idea that it was signed and by whom. Then she quickly explained what it
said. I didn't understand, and said "Oh, you mean I can get my money back,
until after the first date where I can only get half?" She said a muffled
uh-huh. Still I signed.
I ran home to dog-sit, and went to bed. When I woke up on the fourth, a
terrible feeling of foreboding washed over me. I re-read the contract and
found out what the paragraph ACTUALLY said! Well, it was a holiday, so I
had to wait to call them back. I asked for a cancellation form, and they
said they would call me back. No answer forever, so I called and complained
to the BBB.
Apparently there is some kind of law here in Missouri wich says any
contract signed in the place of business and not in the person's home for an
"etheral" service did not get a "cooling-off period". Can you believe
that??
I cancelled the charge on my card,
and I told Together I was contemplating such an action, and they couldn't
get me an appointment fast enough! I set it up for the next day, having
already cancelled the charge without them knowing. They said I could meet
with my counselor. When I got there (on time) they made me wait for 15
minutes (remember when I first came in I was 15 minutes late) and then
finally a different lady came in. She was the manager, I asked where
my counselor was and was told she was with a client but I could see her. I
told her that I HAD an apppointment with her, and she asked me to not make a
scene, that I could discuss the matter with her. There were a few people
there waiting.
Well, I followed her (Amy Kennedy Higgins) through the double glass doors
within view of the waiting room, and a guy was sitting there! I think he
was a bit higher up. Anyway, I immediately knew what this meeting was for
-- to stonewall me and convince me to stay with their company. I decided to
stay and try anyway -- perhaps I could reason with them or make them
empathize with me.
I can't believe I went through this hell just because I wanted to find a
girl who could like me!! We talked, and I saw that he had my case file spread out.
Obviously thay had spent hours preparing themselves for this!! What REALLY
scared me was that my three top negative traits were there, separately written
down by hand in thick black ink. One was "gives up easily." Shit! I
thought. I had told this to Santina my counselor as one of the reasons why
I thought I wasn't getting dates.
So I tried different options. Can I just get a full refund, because I
didn't understand the paragraph. No, their board wouldn't allow that.
Could I do a payment plan. In jumped Amy, this evil bitch of a woman! I don't
say she was a bitch cause she was on the other side of the table and I am
mad now -- but she seemed to be relishing the fact that she could break me
and make me squirm!! She said that on SOME occasions they MAY
offer a payment plan, but it was though a bank with a percentage rate more
outrageous than my credit card! Then I offered to pay them monthly -- like
$300 a month. They said they were a small company and couldn't
afford that. What is that? First they say they answer to a board (big
company) and then they say they're small (so why can't they decide
themselves on this matter) -- I was so scared! I knew I was up against a
truly evil scamming force! So I stood up and said "That's it, you're not
getting a dime for me!" They told me to be reasonable. That I could either
pay them like 800 for nothing, or pay the whole amount and stay with them
and get some great dates (they had already said this several times -- and
even said the same "walking down the aisle" thing!!!!). I said no way, this is
over and walked out.
Amy was so shocked at this turn of events, that she said the first thing
that came into her head.
Now, earlier she had told me she had gotten her masters in psychology. So,
I had told then I knew I was outgunned, but I was holding my hat in my hands
and pleading them to let me out of this. Real good psychologist, not being
affected by this truth and sincere plead! I am sure if she practiced, she
would be quickly disbarred because of her conduct. Anyway, she said "Stop
running away, John."
I answered, as I held the door open and enough adrenaline pumped through me
as to make me shake, that "You scamming bastards! And you, Amy,
psychologist are supposed to help people; you should be ashamed of yourself
but obviously you sold your soul to this company and so you no longer have
any morals!"
or something like that. I was so pissed! I stormed out of their oblivious
of everything around me, I just prayed they wouldn't follow me try to stop
me cause I didn't know if I would run away faster or deck my pursuer.
I got away clean and jogged down the stairs and through the double doors
and into the light. It was eerie because there outside the door was some
staff on a cigarette break, laughing and oblivious to me or my condition.
I crossed some streets mindless of traffic (I am sure there were no cars,
though) and got to my car talking to myself the whole time. Inside the car
I talked louder and shook harder and gritted my teeth and hit the steering
wheel till I was finally albe to calm myself down a bit to drive.
OK, so the dispute was finally accepted by the credit card compnay. Their
lawyers found reason for my dispute and told the company. My complaint to
the BBB went nowhere. They sent my letter to Together, who screamed bloody
murder, and the BBB refused to help. I quickly discovered that member businesses
PAY to be in the BBB. Their loyalty being clear, I gave up using them (which is
why, I figured, there were very few complaints on file) and concentrated on
my credit card. Together got 30 days to prove I should pay them. I
was so stressed out. The 30 days came and went with no response from them!
I was so relieved. Then the credit card company said they would allow
another 15 days to see if they had mailed in their complaint. I was a
nervous wreck again, just trying to let it go so I could work and sleep.
Then those days passed without incident, so I was told it stood, and I was so
relieved!!!
That was in August. Now it is February 2000, and today I recieved a letter
from my credit card company saying that Together had made a request to place
the entire charge BACK ON, and they were thinking about honoring it unless I
write them back before March 1st! God, my head hurts now!! It's been 6
months -- I thought it was over!! Do you know what this is like? They sent
me a copy of Together's letter (it was not dated -- the credit card's letter
was Feb. 8) and it is truly horrible! It is filled with lies, such as
claims that I got two referrals.
So now, like a bolt out of the blue, they have come to haunt me again! I
dont know what to do. I tried getting assistance from a well-known consumer
action section of a local TV news station, but they were lukewarm to the how
to help me since my dispute was done. I wanted Together to admit the contract was
over and to send all my tests, picture and notes on me by certified mail like
their contract specified. They never returned their
calls, so that was dropped, too. I didn't even bring it up to my state Attorney
General. I thought it was over!
Something needs to be done about this company. I am sorry you got farther
under their clutches than I did. How many people do you think they
have wronged? Perhaps we could all get together and file a joint suit
through the Federal Government or something? The thing is that they are a
franchise, and if there is an overriding company, they could say they have
no idea or control of what is happening. Still there must be some recourse.
I can sign an affadavit to my statement if it comes to that.
Gotta go, good luck in your fight and in alerting others to this HORRIBLE
company.
-- John Kansas City, Missouri 2/11/00
Thanks for your letter. I do agree that the Better Business Bureau is a
vastly overrated resource and is largely useless; for more information visit
Don't Trust the Better Business Bureau and
"Better" Business Bureau??.
Consumers should rely on their state attorney general for leads on
fraudulent companies.
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